RNW: Okay, now, for people
who Iím going to be presenting this interview to, Iím going to be saying
okay, this is Goudie, theyíre coming out with a new CD. For someone
who is being introduced to your music, what would you tell them they are
in for if they are buying the CD or if theyíre going to come see you in
concert? What formats do you think you are going to hit, or be the
most at home in?
J.G.: What do you mean, like
alternative or something?
RNW: Yeah, like do you think,
okay, lets say the CD comes out and you are going to chart. Where
do you think thatís going to happen? Alternative? Mainstream
J.G.: I donít know.
I have to be honest, I donít want to sound like an a**hole, but I donít
really listen to modern rock radio. Sometimes I do and it depresses
RNW: But you could help revitalize
that. That shouldnít be depressing.
J.G.: Well, I hope that we
can. I mean thatís not to say that there isnít great stuff out there,
you know. Thereís songs sometimes that blow my mind and Eminem, even
like, Kid Rock, I thought that "Cowboy" song was really awesome.
Yeah, I like that one too.
J.G.: Yeah, but, its not like
Sparklehorse gets played on the radio or My Bloody Valentine ever got played
on the radio. Youíll ever hear Elliot Smith get played on the radio
or youíll ever hear the new Eels record on the radio except on some triple
A format, which instinctively plays only the most boring songs from the
greatest bands (laughs). So, its like, thereís not really a format
that I can get into too much. I find myself listening to a lot of
Einar: Yeah, we have a great
disco station in Austin!
J.G.: Oh yeah. I obviously
donít think that it will fit in pop because I have a feeling that it might
be too, um, I donít feel like we are pandering enough. You know what
RNW: No, I wouldnít say pop.
I would go more rock.
J.G.: Um, I would say that
it would probably come out on, I mean
I could hear this stuff next to No Doubt, who I love. Theyíre last
two singles I think are really great. I could hear this stuff next
to Stone Temple Pilots, who Iíve always really loved. I mean thereís
a lot of bands on the radio that I really love but its sort of like, the
state of things right now, you know? You avoid like, the Limp Bizkits,
whatever, of the radio, but at the same time you embrace some huge rock
bands that do it, I think, with class like Stone Temple Pilots or even
Metallica, you know what I mean?
RNW: Speaking of Limp Bizkit,
I caught that little love note that you were presenting there Johnny, at
the showcase yesterday. That little love note to Fred there?
J.G.: Did you like that?
RNW: Iím hoping that I got
a good shot of that.
J.G.: Did you?
RNW: (laughs) Iím hoping I
J.G.: Good. Well, you
know what? I donít know what that guyís like personally, but I have
to tell you that, the only thing that I can really say, is cause I donít
really, I know that "I did it all for your woopie," or whatever, the f***in
"I want to break everything in my house today because Iím Stupid" song,
but I donít like him and I donít like his - you know, I donít even know
if its my place to really say anything, but honestly I just feel like its
fake and heís sucking money out of 13 year old boys that should be home
jerking off instead of trying to beat their head against their best friends
at a Limp Bizkit concert. You know, whatever turns em on. Basically
I was wearing that shirt and basically saying hey, its not my vibe.
RNW: Well, I hear ya on that.
Now, as far as the new CD coming out, "Baby Hello" is going to be the first
J.G.: Yeah it is.
RNW: Are you going to do a
J.G.: Ah, you know what?
We hope so. We havenít gotten that far yet. Weíre still at
the process of trying to like, figure out how weíre going to get this on
RNW: Okay. So you hit
the air waves and now its time to do something . . .
J.G.: Then its time to hit
RNW: Cable, huh?
J.G.: Yeah. Weíve decided,
for our "Behind the Music" weíve already started filming it on our video
RNW: Oh thatís cool, ya know.
You keep those clips because you never know.
J.G.: Us crying and all f***ed
up in a corner.
RNW: Yeah, you never know
what you can do with those.
J.G.: Actually, you know what
weíre going to do today? Weíre staying in the Hollywood Roosevelt
Hotel, across from the (Mannís) Chinese Theatre. Weíre going to film
the star studded gala of the premier of Mission Impossible, cause we have
a view from our room of the red carpet. So weíre going to film it
on our video camera.
RNW: Oh dude, I wish I was
there with my camera, I just got a great telephoto lens (laughs).
J.G.: Yeah, you should go
there! The saddest thing is Lars (Ulrich) is gonna go and I guess
he didnít think we were, like, nice enough to take or something.
Maybe heís taking his wife.
RNW: Oh, well, okay then!
J.G.: Heís a nice man.
RNW: Anyway, as far as getting
out and doing some touring . . .
Yes! We are in the process, our manager and record company and booking
agent are all trying to see whatís available. And, there are a lot
of bands we would like to go out with, you know? Stone Temple Pilots
being one. Weíve always enjoyed their music and they seem like cool
guys. Iíve heard about them being nice guys. And, I donít know.
We just need to get out there and get in front of some people cause no
body knows who we are and I feel that its gonna be great once we get out
on the road and weíre able to do this every day, every night and play to
a bunch of people every night, which is what we wouldnít normally get to
do, I feel like our show will become so strong, so undeniable that when
we go in to start our next record its going to be, you know, huge.
RNW: Well, you know the road
is the key to most of that.
J.G.: Totally. The road
is the key.
RNW: Speaking of the road,
have you guys been through your hard knocks era prior to being signed to
your current label?
J.G.: Oh yeah.
Einar: Weíve been going through
hard knocks for about ten years. In and out of lots of bands.
J.G.: Oh yeah!
RNW: You know, ten years seems
to be the magic number. Everybody I talk to . . .
J.G.: Yeah, its like, if you
can withstand that torture . . .
RNW: Yeah, every overnight
success Iíve ever interviewed has been ten years in the making. Thatís
strange that you should say that. So, have you guys been living in
cars and on the street and all that?
J.G.: Yeah Einar lived in
a van in New York City before.
Einar: Yeah, I lived in a
van in New York for about four months.
RNW: Oh dude, thatís the worst
place to live in a van (laughs). You could have been in California
on the beach or something. You had to go to New York to live in your
Einar: No, well I spent about
three months here (California), actually in the same van, about a year
prior to the New York one.
RNW: Okay then, that was probably
a better time at least.
Einar: It was much better
cause the beach was a lot warmer.
RNW: Yeah, no kidding.
And its not as rough either, I donít think, as the streets of New York.
J.G.: Ah, no.
RNW: So playing around clubs
and, how did it happen that you got signed? What was the whole story
Einar: Well, Dan McCarroll,
our A&R guy, when he was actually trying to decide if he should take
this job as an A&R guy, he was given a box of tapes from who ended
up becoming our publisher, Kenny McPherson at Warner-Chapel. And
Dan went home and listened to a bunch of stuff and liked our demo.
So he talked to Lars, let him listen to it. He liked it and he sent
Dan and Tim Duffy, the President of TMC (The Music Company) down to Austin
to check us out. And we did, like a private sort of showcase for
a bunch of really stiff people and then, we did a showcase for Tim and
Dan and it went great and we just got along really well with them.
We spend the week with them and they brought, or went back to Lars and
gave him the news and he came about a month later and that was pretty much
it. I mean there was the going through the lawyers for a little while
but it was just, they liked us, they thought we were a good band.
They thought, you know, I guess they got it. And they liked the way
we played and that was it. It was really great.
RNW: Cool, thatís got to be
Einar: And Lars actually,
or they did a good job of kind of making it an event. The actual
signing. Making it sort of a memorable event.
RNW: How so?
Einar: They were in Houston.
Metallica was playing at the Woodlands Pavilion out there and they invited
us to drive down and come to the show. So we went down and saw the
show and had passes and came back to the green room and Lars brought the
rest of the guys back. We met the rest of Metallica and then unbeknownst
to us, all of the negotiations were through and Lars walked in and locked
the door and kind of set us up, making us think that he was delivering
some bad news, but ended up whipping out four contracts and throwing them
down on the table backstage at the show and thatís when we signed away!
RNW: Oh man, thatís so cool.
Einar: So he really made it,
you know, special.
RNW: Thatís neat. Normally,
you know, you hear about these horrible hassles in lawyerís offices and
Einar: Yeah, and even if it
goes smoothly, its still going to go back and forth for a couple of months,
you know? Revisions here and there.
J.G.: Thatís the difference
between signing with a musician or signing with a suit. Like he always
knows what weíre going through.
Einar: Yeah, he knows exactly
whatís going on with us, whatís in our heads, what weíre going through,
and its like, yeah, exactly.
J.G.: Heís always there.
Heís always available for anything, like any sort of question you ever
have. Even like, just the emotional stuff that you go through, you
know what I mean? Like, this isnít easy all the time and in situations
like, you were there last night right?
RNW: Yeah, I was there.
J.G.: Well, in situations
like that, you know, like, we played in
Texas where if thereís ten people at our gig - well, not any more, I mean
weíve really gotten a great following there, but - you know before, if
thereís like f***ing ten people there, and someone says youíre good, you
know, you go home and you tell your girlfriend and other guys "Hey man,
Steve, you know, whoís my best friend and if I pay him to sell shirts at
the show just to have him there, said that it was a really good night tonight."
I think weíre getting better, you know what I mean?
RNW: "I think weíre reachin
them, huh?" (laughs)
J.G.: Then going to like,
taking your guitar off and your manager grabs you and drags you down stairs
and Quentin Tarantino is telling you he thinks youíre amazing and Reeves
Gabrels is there who plays the guitar with Bowie and is saying "Come on
over, lets jam." Iím like f***! And Lars is like, "You know, Iím
so proud of you guys." And pictures being taken and all these people
that you never thought you would know in your life are wanting to have
their picture taken with you and its your time in the sun and, you know
what I mean? Just, like that sort of stuff. I have to be honest,
its very, very, its difficult to take and weíre the kind of people that,
we sort of need our humility because God forbid we ever became, like massively
egotistical. How scary that would be. Or like, outwardly egotistical,
you know what I mean? So its weird and the fact is you know, you
wake up the next morning and you still have three dollars in your pocket
left of your per diem for the week and, you know.
RNW: But youíve got a great
view for the Mission Impossible premier, so who needs more than that?
J.G.: Thatís right.
Weíve got a great view of the Mission Impossible premier, weíve got a loaded
battery and a new tape.
RNW: Yeah, so the three bucks
J.G.: Of course!
RNW: You know, as long as
youíve got stuff in the honor bar at the hotel and, you know, a good seat
for that, youíre squared.
J.G.: Yeah, weíll be in good
shape. Itíll be good. Now hopefully, weíll be able to get back
to our hotel, if the crowds arenít too big.
RNW: So just to kind of cap
this off, now youíre on the road and thereís no where to go but up.
Youíve got all this laying out ahead of you. Whatís your ultimate
destination here on this musical journey? What kind of markers for
success are you looking forward to?
J.G.: Well, upping the anti
obviously, within the band creatively, for what we do next.
Um, obviously assuming that this tour and this record goes well, that we
will be able to challenge each other and ourselves to rise to new levels.
Not to sound like a cheese ball, but seriously, like to have that and,
world domination, and be the greatest band in the whole f***ing world.
RNW: (laughs) Well,
it looks like you got a good start to that!
Einar & J.G.: Thank you!
RNW: Thank you, and good luck
to you guys.
J.G.: Thank you and thanks
for coming last night.
RNW: Well, you know, I apologize
for the flash bulbs in your eyes. I donít normally like to use a
flash but it was very dark.
Einar: Thatís quite alright!
J.G.: No, its quite alright!
Iím telling you, weíve been dreamin about flashbulbs in our eyes since
we were kids and being able to sit in a conference room at our record company
and do interviews all day, this is definitely a huge treat and it isnít
hard to do.
RNW: Oh good.
J.G.: Because like I said
before, this is like, this record is a labor of our love and we understand
that weíre lucky to be in this band and to have been signed by musicians
who understand where weíre coming from and have given us the reigns to
do whatever the f*** we want musically and that they really believe in
it. So, this is not hard to do and the pictures arenít hard to do
and even if it is the Viper Room, it isnít hard to do, you know?
Its just not hard to do.
RNW: Well, I like your style
and I wish you guys all the luck in the world.
J.G. & Einar: Thanks!
Thank you very much.
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