Posted by HelenAteTroy: OK, I know I've taken up too much space
on this board already, but I've got to help my buddy Tim. What's wrong
with Johnny down here, is exactly what's wrong with rock in general. We've
fallen into this nitpicky, tabloid-gossipy crap that prevents us from enjoying
the beauty, chaos, and yes freedom, of rock. Attacking the Strokes? Newsflash:
Courtney champions the Strokes wherever she goes. She says they are her
favorite band. But unlike some people, she doesn't take herself (or the
Strokes) as seriously as everyone does. That's the beauty and genius of
the music on America's Sweetheart. She loves the Strokes, but herself more...
saying to our Manhattan himbo - "I'm coming for you!" And boy does she
ever. That has to be one of the best, funniest, full-out sexy rock songs
ever written.She knows she's the _real_ Goddess of Rock n' Roll. And all
of her love of the Strokes aside, she's coming to kick their *ss. And succeeds
mightily. I'd listen to this over any of the trendy, garage-bands currently
out there. Love has this ability to take any rock sound, or idea and improve
on it. She did it with Cobain's style in the nineties and she's doing it
with classic rock and the grage-band sound now. Which is why it's such
a great album. It's just dripping with wit, wry self-references and funny
rock metaphors. Sunny drug songs, painful and yet funny acknowledgements
to her own mythology, and at least one hard-rocking, revolution song. And
lyrically, she's as capable at laughing at herself as much as she glories
in herself, which is one of the reasons she's so appealing. Courtney's
very aware of her own mythology and plays it masterfully. She knows: "I
have a screw loose, just meet me in the bedroom." "Baby you're a freak
show just like me Baby we're all born ugly" She's arrogant as hell, in
the best rock n' roll fashion: "I'm too good for tomorrow" and "I'm the
Center of the Universe." She answers all the sexist *ssholes who accuse
her of stealing her husband's music - by stealing her husband's music.
Using a "Smells Like Teen Spirit" riff, she then proceeds to call the song
"I'll Do Anything." No one comes out fighting like Love. In the face of
the fact that she knows all too well that our pop-culture, run by misogynistic
frat boys, actually hates her *ss, and then has the all-out balls to name
the album "America's Sweetheart" proves to me that she is a rock legend
of the first order. And the album just sounds great. People say she doesn't
have a good voice? Yeah, in the way Janis Joplin didn't have a good voice!
In the way Jagger doesn't have a good voice! Jesus. Y'all have been listening
to Celine Dion, or something. She has one of the greatest rock voices ever!
As well as rock personalities. Playboy compared her to Johnny Rotten, and
she has that going on for sure, but I also think she's a much more complex
person than that, and her music reflects it. There's a depth to it, as
well as a good rock excitement _and_ fun. that I think we've lost somewhere.
She knows how to abandon herself and she's asking us to do the same. That's
why when I said that you worshipped Courtney it wasn't an insult, Tim.
I believe in that kind of abandon and innocence. I don't wanna be the girl
pretending to be all cool, listening to the latest band that some hip rock
critic is telling me is the newest trend. I wanna be the girl screaming
in the front row of a band that still remembers that rock is supposed to
be - chaotic, arrogant, - make me wanna scream, make me wanna worship some
larger-than-life personality, make me wanna f*ck somone in the next row,
inspire a revolution, inspire me to some sort of wildness heretofore not
experienced. If Courtney doesn't do that, I don't know what the f*ck will.
She really is what she says she is - the Jesus Christ of Rock coming to
save our ass from the hell of too-tame rock personalities who have forgotten
how to let themselves go to good ol' rock n' roll fun. Now, if our sexist,
p*ssy, nitpicky, culture could get it's head out of it's *ss for a minute
or so, we could all be enjoying it. That's all _I_ wish for christmas from
santa. That everyone could cross over into the Love Zone and have some
godd*amn fun for a change. And with a female, which is a revolution in
and of itself. Please god.
Posted by
AdORE: this is a big fan review and thank god
for that. d critics always liked to cut off love's head no matter what
she's doing. rock is def not dead and so as punk music. know this for a
FACT:this album deserved its 5 stars!! it happens to be d best album i've
ever had which i didn't have to skip a track! this review says it best:"Sometimes
the best man for a job is a woman. Especially when the job is saving rock
and roll and the woman is Courtney Love" :)
Posted by
cruel: she's still suck. she's a ugly trying
hard rockstar.
Posted by
tim: johnny, "Maybe she need to die already"?
Who are you, the surgeon general of rock and roll? "punk rock is dead"?
Oh, and the coroner, too? "Anyone who says differently is a moron" Well,
from one moron to another I gotta tell ya A)Not liking a record is a worse
excuse for violence than oil. All the death wishing that goes on in these
pages truly saddens and disgusts me, we're supposed to be better than that.
B)Punk rock's not dead but if Simple Plan can lead you to that conclusion
then yr faith is worthless. Punk rock is an approach, not a uniform. A
mainstream record can be just as punk as a soundboard cassette by any four
Ramones clones you could offer as 'true' punk, it's all attitude and intent
and if some band being marketed as punk doesn't fit yr (or my) criteria,
then move on.C)Anyone who says differently thinks differently and each
person is your (and my) superior in that we might learn from them. To my
mind this is a 5 star record but, y'now what?, stars are meaningless. The
debate brought up here might have some value if we can all restrain from
the insipid 'self-empowerment' that apparently comes from wishing death
on people and calling all who disagree morons.
Posted by
johnny: Bottom line. This cd is not a 5 star cd.
It's a peice of crap. Courtney trying to get back in the spotlight. Attacking
The Strokes? One of the few decent mainstream bands around. What the hell?
Yeah she is a little bit older, a whole lot. Maybe she needs to die already.
PS Punk Rock is dead. When a band like "Simple Plan" is called punk, punk
rock is dead. Anyone who says differently is a moron.
Posted by
Ami: Courtney’s back and she kicks ass! But
did she ever actually go anywhere? Her new music shows she’ll never die;
Lady Love (and her music) will live on forever! From the kicking lead riffs
of Mono to the more softer and melodic attempt of a power ballad; Never
Gonna Be The Same, just shows pure punk-rock, talent and the Courtney Love;
Queen of Noise we know her best. Her unique banshee-like wailing and catchy
guitar riffs prove the rock-goddess really is the centre of the universe!
America’s Sweetheart inspires every teenage grrl in the world to pick up
a guitar and start screaming!
Posted by
tim: hobo, being a coke fiend and not being
able to sing are practically rock and roll prerequisites, if you ask me
and could you send me 2 come uppances as my wife would like one, too. thanks.
Nephtys, I agree and was too hard on Hele, that was my ego talking. Helen,
please come back, all is forgiven. Fever, not a conspiracy, actually I
just still haven't received the handbook. And everybody, as long as we're
wishing death to strike why not grease the karmic wheels and wish it upon
hate in all it's forms and expression. just a suggesstion, thanks for reading.
Posted by
Hobo: Love calls... others... retarded? Jesus
Zombie Christ! What is WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE? She's a COKE FIEND! SHE CAN'T
EVEN SING! You know someone's a smack head when they respond to a passive
question with 'It's sexist'. Please God, make her die in some horribly
painful and gore-filled manner. Please. That's all I want for Christmas
Santa.
Posted by
celine: and plus, courtney's a damn good serial
killer if she did murder kurt cobain, not that many people can get away
with commiting murder i should think, especially on some one so close to
them.
Posted by
celine: those who said cobain might have helped
to write her songs on live through this, here's a quote for you to enjoy
""That's disgusting," Love said. "It's retarded. I'm not gonna answer it.
It is false in the most pathetic sense of the word. It's sexist. It's spiritually
bankrupt. It's, beyond that, insulting to him. Because if he was gonna
write songs for me, they'd better have been better than my skill level
at the time." Besides, Love said, she is "way too narcissistic" to allow
some "boy" to come in and tell her what to do." thank you. i love both
courtney love and kurt cobain, but i must say i relate to courtney love's
lyrics more.
Posted by
Nephtys: I agree with what Helen did/said. There's
too many lazy fu*ks out there who just sit on the side-lines for those
of us who do fight to win without a little foul play. Courtney is a god
damned genious! Live Through This was one of her best, yes, but all of
her songs have the same trait, they all convey a meaning in one form or
another. Just because people are trained to hate her before actually listening
to her music the press is always talking sh*t. I'll admit that before a
friend of mine forced me to listen to her I hated her too, its like brain
washing what this country does. Just because someone is un-afraid to express
themself doesn't mean they're a killer, or a whore, or a bad mother, or
a plagerist. Its time for people to stop listening to what others want
them to think and get a mind of their own.
Posted by
Hobo: I never ever thought I'd see the day.
Mark my words Tim, your come-uppance will come.
Posted by
Ernie (erna): I just love this album.. because she is
so f***** cool! her look(how she was) and her style and music! but iám
more of a Nirvana fan..but this album is pretty good!!! 8 stars of 10...hehe:)
Posted by
Dr Fever: I am amazed...utterly amazed...how in
the hell can a FIVE STAR review for something attached to Courtney Love
run on this site? HOW!?!!? This is going to require Rum and heavy thought...i'd
got to figure this out...WAIT, this has to be part of the Conspiracy...right??
That's the only logical explanation!
Posted by
muisc: I agree with LithiumBliss.I dont Hate
Courtney because shes a girl, I just dont like her music. I just listened
to her new album...I gave it a chnace. I just dont like it. She cant sing
Posted by
Karen: I think this album was just what was expected
from Courtney, loud guitars and even louder vocals. This may disappoint
people who hoped that Courtney would try something different, but why fix
it if it's not broken. However there are a few bumps in the road that is
America's Sweetheart. The painfully juvenile chorus of Julian stands out
as one of the worst, 'I see Paris, I see France, I can see your underpants'.
That is a far cry away from such lyrics as 'someday you will ache like
I ache' heard on Live Through This. But as we can never expect another
Live Through This, this album as albums go, is certainly one to have in
your collection.
Posted by
dyinglove: very good album, rock-punk, courtney's
great performence, great riff etc... very good
Posted by
tim: Helen,Actually I worship no one but that's
another column . If I come off as self-righteous, well yeah, I get that
a lot. That's gonna happen when you take something as silly as rock and
roll as seriously as I do. Just wanted to make my feelings on trolling
clear. OK, let's keep this going.......who do y'all think would win in
a fight: Courtney or Patti Smith?
Posted by
HelenAteTroy: Well, LB, as for Courtney sueing to protect
her name, she actually did fight to keep that tabloid "documentary" from
circulating. I think at one point she just said, "To hell with it, the
people who are thinking this aren't important to me anyway." You can't
control everyone's opinions and Courtney doesn't seem like the type of
person to sweat it too much. I'd just like to say, also, that Courtney
is far more of a revolution, than Juliana Hatfield or Liz Phair. I'll explain
more in future, but I gotta run right now.
Posted by
HelenAteTroy: Don't be too sad, Tim. I didn't write
_all_ those posts, so there's not only two of us, there were two or three
fans wandering in here. Anyway, I didn't really think of getting caught
out and embarrassing you, - it was sort of spontaneous. Sorry for making
you feel stupid, "cause you so are not. You're a ballsy guy and you have
great taste in music. People will just think _I'm_ stupid not you. Anyway
_I_ don't feel stupid, actually. I never feel embarrassed. What's the point,
really? It was fun and a good conversation and I kicked the haters asses,
too. And I don't think you should be quite so self-righteous either. You
worship Courtney and she does worse things on Sunday at church. She also
trolls all the time and is known for that. Besides, I do have faith in
my position. I just don't have that much faith in people, I'm afraid. 99%
of the f*ckers out there are too passive to fight for someone they care
about. It was just a shot at keeping a conversation going. And don't act
all happy either, LithiumBliss, you admitted to having a "Troll Crown"
yourself. Don't be mean to me now, guys. It's not as serious as all that.
A little punk subversion is a good thing once in a while.
Posted by
LithiumBliss: I feel a bit bad for you actually, Tim.
True, I loathe Courtney Love, but I'm actually an ally in your cause for
anti-sexism against valid female artists. I rail at the fact that plastic,
untalented corporate creations like Britney Spears sell millions to misguided
teeny sheep, while artists like Juliana Hatfield, Liz Phair, some of the
riot grrl bands, and other talented female artists I hear on college radio
are met with indifference if not outright scorn from the mainstream. Good
music shouldn't be judged by gender or race - if it's good, it's good.
For what it's worth, Helen of Troll, if money had been less tight back
in 1994, Live Through This may well have been in my CD collection, and
this was years before I heard of any alleged involvement by Courtney in
Kurt's murder. Yes, I believe there is enough evidence that Kurt didn't
kill himself, however, the so-called evidence against Courtney is admittedly
slim-to-none. If Courtney really had nothing to do with it, why doesn't
she sue those who have made these allegations, or do as even her own father
has suggested and take a lie-detector test to clear her? Hell, I'd gladly
pick up a copy of Live Through This then (though only that record).
Posted by
tim: HelenAteTroy etc., Y'know, I know yr heart
was in the right place and you thought you were helping but do you realize
how pathetic we (apparently 2) Pro-Courtney people look now? Have you any
idea how excited I was to come back to my review and see so many positive
responses? I was trying to create a revolution, too. Now imagine how stupid
I feel having been taken in by yr multiple postings. You've given the 'haters'
(and god I despise that word and all the division it represents) just that
much more ammunition to ignore us. I now have to apologize for my previous
comment regarding the reason and thoughtfulness of the Pro-Courtney missives.
Seems I was the uninformed one. My bad - this time. Trolling, whether on
the positive or negative tip, only shows disrespect for the artist, the
reviewer and ultimately the troll themselves in that it shows that the
troll hasn't enough faith in their position to not pad the boards. I stand
by this review and I still think a conversation regarding sexism in rock
and roll and why we just have to hate so damn much is one worth having.
Just not between one person. No trolls required or encouraged. Damn.
Posted by
MikeG: Oh, and you can have a copy of E! online
too, if you want Tim. I'll send it to you just because I love you for having
the courage to even address the hatred this country has for women and for
controversal female artists. Ever since feminism became so f*cking unfashionable,
not many even have the guts any more.If you want, you can contact me at
heidihopippi@yahoo.com Sorry for dissapointing you, but if you're lonely
for Courtney fans, there's plenty out there. IMDB has a lot, and of course
Kittyradio and there are plenty of fan sites. I don't belong to any but
I've read a bit and there's a lot of the usual excitement/controversy.
Posted by
HelenAteTroy: Lithium Bliss, I agree that there is some
distinct pro and anti-Courtney camps (more anti-Courtney than pro) within
fanbases and journalism, but that's the very thing we should be putting
an end to. For all the reasons I listed below, it doesn't even make sense
to shut out one artist, for the love of another. Especially when that very
artist professed his love and respect for her talent. I don't believe in
your heart you actually believe in those tacky, tabloid-journalist rumours.
It's just that, that's the main info most people were first exposed to
concerning Courtney. Couple that with a fear of powerful, aggressive, uncontrollale
women in pop culture and you have a recipe for hatred. I bet if you rounded
out your knowledge a bit, and opened your mind, you'd be a fan, and a lover
of Love, too. You know what they say - it's better to be a Lover than a
Hater. I tell you what, I'll send you a free copy of E! Online True Hollywood
Story, if you haven't already seen it. I bet you'd have way more fun enjoying
Courtney and sticking up for her, than hating her. Cross over to the Light,
man! Cross over to the light! As for being a troll, I just wanted to show
Tim a little support, it seems like the lovers are always outnumbered,
so I just _created_ some extra love. Sorry if I played a little dirty,
but I'm trying to create a revolution here!
Posted by
tim: aG, Really? All the positive comments
are by the same person? I can't say I'm not disappointed. Could you please
hip me as to how I could check this out myself for future reference? In
any event, whoever it is can write well in different voices and since I've
always been a fan of literacy and good writing I'd like to invite our alleged
'troll' to contact me at punk rock blues (there's a link at 3 Chord Monte)
for further, although this time intentional, collaboration.
Posted by
LB: *slaps head* Ha ha, looks like the joke's
on me. The troll suckered me, aG. I must give up my troll crown. :-( I
should have known there couldn't really be this many Courtney fans. I tip
my hat, oh mighty troll!
Posted by
LithiumBliss: Tim, all my comments here have been under
my usual moniker. No trolls here. To the rest of the Courtney fans, I'll
concede this: there are definitely distinct pro-Kurt/anti-Courtney and
vice versa camps within the world of rock journalism, and certainly it's
no secret which side I'm on. Concerning "Pennyroyal Tea", all I can say
is that's just one example of conflicting reports. But if Courtney really
did help him re-write the song for In Utero, I certainly think Kurt would
definitely have given her, his own wife, a songwriting credit on the album,
being that he did credit "Scentless Apprentice" to Cobain/Novoselic/Grohl.
To sum it up, I absolutely think that Kurt at least helped write Live Through
This, an allegation that Love has never actually outright denied. Conversely,
it sounds like Courtney might have helped Kurt write "Milk It" and "Radio
Friendly Unit Shifter". ;-) Go ahead, enjoy your Courtney music, it beats
being a Britney Spears fan. But when all is said and done, I believe Tom
Grant.
Posted by
HelenAteTroy: In the issue of NME 24th July, 1993, there
was an exclusive interview with Kurt and Courtney at their Seattle home.
The main agenda for the article, written by Brian Willis, was a preview
of In Utero. The following was written about 'Pennyroyal Tea' and is taken
straight from the article: Pennyroyal Tea', meanwhile was co-written with
Courtney and was played on last autumn's European tour. "It's about a method
of inducing abortions," she explains. "It's been around for years. I'm
going to record a version of it for my album too."
Posted by
aG: tim, I'm not surprised considering the
same person wrote all of those comments under different names.
Posted by
MikeG: He said that he used some of Courtney's
lyrics and I'm sure he knows more about the history of the song than you
do. As for singing worth a p*ss, I think she has a kick-*ss voice, expressive
and rough. Kurt and Courtney both had great, unusual voices. If you like
quotes so much, here's some from Kurt himself who defended Courtney at
every opportunity. The first one is Kurt's opinion on Courtney's talent.
He had good taste. "You're not right about my band. You're right about
one thing though, you're jealous of my wife. Her talent is far more relevant
in the world than the bullsh*t you and (can't make out the name) are doing."
-- Off of a threatening message Kurt left on an answering machine. You
can get it on the web. Here's from the liner notes to Insecticide. Kurt
found this important enough to say to the world where he knew everyone
would read it: "My wife challenges injustice and the reason her character
has been so severely attacked is because she chooses not to function the
way the white corporate man insists. His rules for women involve her being
submissive, quiet, and non-challenging. When she doesn't follow his rules,
the threatened man (who, incidentally, owns an army of devoted traitor
women) gets scared. "I don't think courtney and I are that f*cked up. We
have just lacked love all our lives." This song is dedicated to my 12 day
old daughter and my wife. There's been some pretty extreme things written
about us, especially my wife, and she thinks that everyone hates her now.
So, this is being recorded, so why don't you give her a message and say
"Courtney, we love you". OK, Ready, on the count of 3. 1, 2, 3. Crowd:
"COURTNEY WE LOVE YOU". Kurt: Thanks. 8/30/92 "If you hurt my wife in any
way I'll hurt you" How can you be a Nirvana fan when you attack what he
defended? When you hate what he loved? I don't think you know what he and
his music were really about: "It upset me that we were attracting the people
that a lot of my music has a reaction against" Maybe he's talking about
you LithiumBliss. You know, we Nirvana fans are the ones who should be
defending her and loving her, becuase he did. That's what he would want
and that's what I'm gonna do from now on. Not just because I'm a Nirvana
fan, but because I really dig her music and I think she gets beat up on
for things we have no right to beat her up for. The media has probably
succeeded in killing her career and that's a f*cking tragedy, because she
creates great art. It's nasty to see a talented interesting woman go down,
just because we can't handle women who aren't tame and safe - and what
was the word Kurt used? - non-challenging.
Posted by
LithiumBliss: This is just too much fun. Kurt wrote
and recorded "Pennyroyal Tea" on 4-track months before he met Courtney.
It's OK, I'll at least give her credit for writing her own lyrics. BTW,
I don't hate here because she's female, I hate her (musically speaking)
because she can't sing for piss.
Posted by
MikeG: Kurt & Courtney shared both music
and lyrics. Kurt said right out he used some of her lyrics on Pennyroyal
Tea. And they performed together more than once, so it's no slur on Courtney
that they did. How in the hell does that imply she didn't create her own
music? Why doesn't anyone accuse Kurt of not being a real artist because
he used some of Courtney's lyrics? Oh right, he's a guy, so it's OK for
him.
Posted by
HelenAteTroy: Oh please. Billy Corgan was just pissed
at her and trying to make himself seem more important than he was. And
what did he have to do with Pretty on the Inside? Live through this? America's
Sweetheart? All the singles and rare tracks on Handgrenade? Anyway, saying
that there wouldn't have been an album without him, isn't saying that he
created the whole thing. There wouldn't have been an album without Erlandson,
or Patty Schemel - or especially without Courtney. Duh.
Posted by
LithiumBliss: Here's a tasty quote for you all: "Let's
get one thing straight. There wouldn't be a new Hole album if it wasn't
for me. She invited me to be the Svengali producer. She claimed I just
produced it and that's just rubbish. She is trying to have her cake and
eat it, but I've got writing credit on seven songs." - Billy Corgan, on
the Celebrity Skin album. Also, anyone who still downloads songe should
feel free to check out the studio recording of "Asking For It" floating
around the Web, which has Kurt clearly singing right along with Hole during
the recording. (His vocal was later erased.)
Posted by
deijak: I am really tired of hering that courtney
love sucks from the lips of stupid people that dont know nothing about
her have they even listen to the lyrics or hear any of her albums. She
is damn good I mean people think that she is Courtney love thanks to kurt
cobain but that isd a f**ing lie she is courtney love becuase she is so
good she doesnt need a famous star on her side to be a great rock star
Posted by
HelenAteTroy: Right exactly. The haters are generally
people who don't look at the whole picture. It's just a knee-jerk reaction.
I think most people who spend some time getting to know the two greatest
artists of our generation (Cobain and Courtney) through interviews, their
music and thier lives, they'd find out more what they were about. That
they both were geniuses in their own way, and both had great points and
flaws like anyone else, except magnified because they both had a lot of
talent and charisma. People who trash Courtney fail to see that Cobain
had a lot of serious faults, too, or that Courtney has a lot of humor,
warmth and generosity, just like he did.
Posted by
tim: has anyone noticed that the pro-Courtney
missives are well reasoned and thoughtful while the anti-Courtney missives
tend to scattershot blasts of hatred, sarcasm and misinformation? I wonder
what that means? Oh, and to muisc (if that is indeed yr real name) - grow
up. Thanks for reading and responding. Thanks for starting a conversation
worth having.
Posted by
BeenaSon: People were looking for a reason to hate
Courtney Love before Kurt even died. That's why he had to continually defend
her to the f*cking sexist media when he was still around. He loved her.
When he died that just gave everyone an excuse to blame her for something.
They're always looking for an excuse. It's ironic that some Nirvana fans
hate a lot of the things that he stood for and loved. I guess that's why
he despised so many of his fans while he was alive. He used to say that
a lot of people in his audience were sexist frat boys and were the "kind
of people who used to beat me up in high school." I think Kurt would hate
the people who constantly attack Courtney.
Posted by
Bill Gates Gold Digging Wife: No, Kurt Cobain killed Kurt Cobain. All
evidence to suggest otherwise is mediocre and exaggerated beyond belief
by ever-mourning Kurt fans and evil media.
Posted by
muisc: COURTNEY LOVE KILLED KURT COBAIN! SHE
MUST BURN IN HELL! DIE!
Posted by
dejenerate: "Hey MikeG, and just who do you think
wrote the music for "Live Through This" - the friggin Easter Bunny?" Courtney
Love, Eric Erlandson, Patty Schemel and Kristen Pfaff...AKA the band Hole,
who put out the album.
Posted by
MikeG: Yeah we really do hate women in this country.
I mean, literally. People like Eminem can come right out and say that they
hate women (and he has) and become famous and successful. Imagine if a
white guy came around and talked about how he hated black people then promoted
violence toward them in his music all the while using the world n**gger.
And yet a rapper can talk about raping women in their music all the while
using B*itch, whore and C*nt.The music industry sort of IS like the Ku
Klux Klan for girls. Sometimes I'm ashamed to be a guy and ashamed to be
an american. If Courtney wants to take that on, then all the more power
to her.
Posted by
HelenAteTroy: Yeah, someone mentioned suckass eminem.
Dr. Dre anyone? HE won a grammy. I bet Courtney won't be nominated for
any grammies, though she creates by far better work than any pop crap out
there now. I think it really says something about this country that a guy
that sings about violence towards women can go mainstream and win awards
and yet a girl who does nothing near as wrong gets nailed by the press,
the music industry, and the law. No one's taking his kid away from HIM.
And they should. For a girl to be raised by him, must be something like
a black kid being raised by the Ku Klux Klan. A little hard on the self-esteem.
Posted by
MikeG: I think Courtney did and because she was
living with the man she was influenced by his music. Pretty on the Inside
is a GREAT album and she wrote that two years before she met Kurt. It's
a little sexist to claim that someone else write all her work. Other artists
collaborate and no one pulls that insinuation out of their ass concerning
them.
Posted by
LithiumBliss: Hey MikeG, and just who do you think wrote
the music for "Live Through This" - the friggin Easter Bunny?
Posted by
HelenAteTroy: Yeah, Tim's right. the sexism is so obvious.
A male rocker screws around and he's a sexy god, Courtney's just a slut.
A male rapper gossips and he's being "controversial" Courtney does it and
she's a loud mouth bitch. Male rappers do drugs and have kids, but Courtney
does and she's a "bad mother." I mean, c'mon, we started the feminist movement
here, but we have no more respect than that? Courtney is no more flawed
than hundreds other celebrities. People are just afraid of her 'cause she's
got balls and isn't afraid to live her life in a totally free way.
Posted by
MikeG: Live Through This was as good or better
than anything Cobain did. That's one hell of a perfect album. I like the
new one, but it doesn't compare to Live Through This which was pure unadulterated
genius.
Posted by
lightgonewrong: I saw it and thought it was great. I don't
know if i like courtney, but i like her music.
Posted by
deadfairyprincess: I love her sparkly spangly girly aggression!
Has anyone seen the video to Mono? It's genius. I think it's symbolic of
the male-dominated corporate-whore music industry and how courtney is taking
it on. Courtney is sleeping beauty (she's been gone from the rock world
for so long - they "wrote her obituary" These rock fairies wake her up
and tell her there's somehing wrong. She gets up and goes to this Kmart
looking place which again, i think is symbolic the previously mentioned
corporate-whore rock world. She starts raising hell, while these guys in
black suits are trying to make her like them with a spray can (you have
to see it to know what that means) and then a bunch of little girls come
from her to defend her. They have a revolution with power tools (!) while
being chased by men that all look the same with big black dogs. They bust
up a rap video and knock over a yuppies barbecue. It's beyond great.
Posted by
jizzbone: she's more interesting. she kept fighting.
he gave up.anyway i still like him they were a lot alike actually. i mean
talent wise and they both had painful childhoods. more so courtney. her
dad gave her LSD when she was a little girl & she had nightmares afterwards.
grew up in foster homes and juvenile centers. it's like her parents didn't
care enough to raise her. cobain at least had relatives.
Posted by
toomuch: why the hell would you do that?
Posted by
jizzbone: I always liked courtney better than cobain.
Posted by
maryjanelove: Why do people insist on ragging on courtney
all the time? For christ' sake, Eminem gossips about who's sleeping with
who, sings about raping and killing girls and is always acting like a f**ckin
idiot and yet MTV and pop culture sucks his d**k all day long. Courtney's
ten times the artist he is and rocks in a wild (less hating) way. I like
her way more than anyone out there right now. Screw the haters - Courtney
rocks.
Posted by
StreetCat: Courtney deserves more respect. I think
Tim's got apoint maybe we hate women. Male rockers do much worse than her
and are idolized. I think she rocks in a big way. live through this was
one of the most brilliant albums ever made, and lyrically no one can touch
her. her live shows are a sight to behold.
Posted by
jeffdeath: I dig courtney. she's wild and dirty.
You can't argue with her talent either. i thought her first album pretty
on the inside was the best, though. it was hardcore compared to her pop/punk
stuff later. i guess i just like the crazy ones.
Posted by
BenJ: Tim's right on. Courtney is a crazy genius
and her music rocks like nothing else.
Posted by
tim: Hey folks! No it's not a joke, just a
different opinion. I'm sorry, am I supposed to hate Courtney Love or something?
There wasn't anything about it in the Employee Handbook, let me check again...............nope!
Nothing in the Employee Handbook!
Posted by
maxx: This has to be an early april fools joke
or like that time aG was going off on how great limp bizkit was but then
gave the punchline they were great for killing mallcore. I have a couple
of friends that think Courtney is the cats meow. But some of them took
too many drugs in their early teen years.
